نتيجة سجل الإستفتاء بولاية أعالي النيل هل يمكن أن تولد صراع جديد بين الشلو و النوير؟

هل هو صراع جديد بين الشلو و النوير في ولاية أعالى النيل في ما هي القبيلة صاحبة أكبر عدد سكان في الولاية؟ وهل إسم مقاطعة رئاسة الولاية هو ملكال ام ماكال؟ هذا هو النقاش الذي دار بين الإخواة جيمس أوكوك وبعض الإخوة من قبيلة النوير.

النقاش والجدل يدور حول النتيجة النهائية لسجل الإستفتاء بالولاية التي أعلنها وزير الإعلام بحكومة الولاية، ولكن الموضع إنطلق الى نقطتين المزكورتين.

يا ترى هل هذا سيخلف مخطط سياسي جديد في الولاية بين الشلو والنوير كما سبق فعلها الدينكا بملكلية ملكال والأراضي التي تقع شرق النيل؟

{Splm-Diaspora} Upper Nile State Referendum Registration results

Dear comrades,
It has been awhile. I hope all of you are ok. I have the pleasure of displaying the results of referendum registration in Upper Nile State.
1. Maban County: 21,848
2. Manyo County: 12,585
3. Longuchok County: 41,394
4. Maiwut County: 56,872
5. Nasir County:46,538
6. Renk County: 42,244
7. Meluth County: 14,403
8. Fashoda County:10,375
9. Panyikang County: 16,492
10.Baliet County:9,778
11.Ulang County:13,342
12.Akoka County:6,194
13.Malakal County:60,213
Total: 352,278.

The estimated target figure by the referendum commission for Upper Nile is 444,787 based on the national election figures. We missed this mark marginally by 92, 509 which is the number of our brothers and sisters from northern Sudan who did not qualify to participate in the referendum.
So far, Upper Nile is leading among the states which have completed their reports in Southern Sudan. We have conducted a very vigorous campaign from county to county as a government and we will continue to do so in order to ensure that those who have registered turn out to vote on the 9th of January 2011. We have confidence that our people are prepared to receive a new state in the New Year!

Sincerely,
Peter Both
Minister of Information, communications and broadcasting, UNS.

1^st Comments by: Peter  Both, to the Minister of information

Correction: For your information there is nothing calls Malakal county in Upper Nile State.  There is only one Makal county that exists in Upper Nile State or otherwise you have joined hands with those of Bailet County groups who are opposed to that name like how former governor Gatluak did. Both,when it is written Twic East county for instance, it has to be simple as that, don\'t put your opinion in it as a minister or don\'t think it should has been name this way! One can not be a minister of information while sending out misinformation & disinformation to general people. This is not Itang, Dimma or Kakuma refugee camps where one could just come up with his or her fuzzy numbers & fake information then give it to UNHCR for ration cards. I thought you were taught here in the western world!
Your corrupted SPLM/A party should stop instigating hatred among southern Sudan people. I thought your SPLM/A leader Kiir Mayardid in recent weeks has slow down on cultivating hatred among poor southern Sudanese. Why are you igniting a fire again? You can make up any number into millions as you want, but don\'t try to change people\'s history. If I were you would just resign from that position for not knowing what I am doing especially for not knowing a name of a county where my state HG located in & where I daily do my work as the minister of information.

The 2^nd Comment by Dr. Okuk to Dear Olanyi,

You have a point but please don\'t spoil it by going too extreme. Let\'s also not to forget thanking the Upper Nile State  Information  Minister, Mr Peter Both, for informing the forum about the preliminary results of the referendum registration though I doubt his politically motivated figures, especially when it comes to the Nuer counties compared to others.

Yes, this careless Minister should have known best that there is no county called Malakal apart from the capital town of the state. The signpost  of Makal County is very clear at its Hdqrs at the Malakal town center unless he is blind to see.

Dr James Okuk

The 3^rd Comment by Mr. Pal G Deng Replay to the public

Without Nuer Counties, Upper Nile will not stand as Entity State today among 10 Southern States. Little Dr. Okuk must accept this. The figures provided by Honorable Both is realistic and genuine. Nothing fallacious on his report.

Pal G Deng

The 4^th Comment by Rom Bol Ruac to Dr. Okuk,

I was suprised to have read your fierce attack on Voter Registeration Report by Mr. Peter Both, the Upper Nile State Minister of Information and Broadcasting to the general Public.

Dr. Okuk, If I could get the Minister well on report, he was indeed informing the people of Southern Sudan and Upper Nile citizens in particular on the number of eligible Voters registered to cast their vote on January 9th Referendum to either confirm the unity of Sudan or Sesession South Sudan. As a Southern Sudanese citizen currently residing in Juba, the Government of Southern Sudan, State Governments, the SPLM Ruling Party, the SSRB and the entire civil society in Southern Sudan is pressing hard on final preparations for the referenda in Southern Sudan and Abiey area. The general Public need to know on daily basis the number of people registered to see themselves in 60% before polling and counting procedures takes place.

The first argument, the registeration figures of Nuer Counties (as you mention) which you think is exargerated.

The four (Jikany Nuer) counties are the most populated

areas in Upper Nile State compared to others. The fact is that when you come to Upper Nile population breakdown by ethnicity, whatever statistics comes: Nuer, Shiluk, Dinka, Burun and Kome. I do not understand what you mean by exagerated figures in Nuer Counties; I am confident if you further argue, your own wife can disfute your point before your neighor could take part in debate.

Dr. James Okuk, when you come to the criteria to qualify a county which I think you may know better, any of these four counties has not less than eight payams each compare to not more than eight payams each in Shiluk Counties to be specific to your point, there is no point to argue, it like the general truth \'the sun rises in the east and set in the west\'. You may give more example as a professional Doctor.

The second point, you have mention is that \'there is no County call Malakal in Upper Nile State\'. I do not  know if you are a professional Doctor or not, you would have avert this point in public to maintain your repeatation. By the way, Doctor Okuk, I do not know why you wanted the humble Minister to talk rabish in media, for your information, wherever a constitutional posthoder takes oath, they swear before God and before their citizens not to lie during time of serving as a servant to the public. In the Constitution of Upper Nile State and in the Ministry of local government and law enforcement agency where counties fall in by jurisdiction, there is no county in all the thirteen Counties bearing the name Malak; instead, you have Malakal County legally and Constitutionally. If Doctors like you talks and pushes for unconstitutional and illegal names in the media, this alone reduces your image and proves you to many readers that you are not well inform of the situation in your birth place.

Dr. Francis Deng said \'what divide us is what is not said\'. Finally, you came to your regular disputing point at the last paragraph when you renew your usual attack on Dinka and Salva Kiir in particular for a simple reason that Lam Akol was not accommodated in his government. I have witnessed for so long you have calmed down attacks on these personalities and also confirmed you lower speed on preaching Shiluk interests in Upper Nile States and Southern Sudan at large.

Let me assure you, do not wisttle the flute of division in any corner, you will trap in and never again in Nuer.

Rom Bol Ruac,
Southern Sudan, Juba.

The 5^th Comment Dr. Okuk Replaying to Mr. Rom Bol Ruac,

Please know it well that I am a son of Malakal and knows with confidence what I am talking about.  I have the decree from Dr Garang which gave the the legality of the name of Makal County. This is the truth you will never change until it is changed by law, perhaps, in future if the Dinka-Nuer bad elements of coalitions in Upper Nile state and their allies elsewhere convince Kiir or whoever will take over from him to come up with a decree changing the name of this known Shilluk Kingdom land from Makal to Malakal.

Regarding the misinformation of the Information Minister of Upper Nile state, Mr Peter Both, what he has said exactly portrays the fake believe that \'the sun rises in the east and set in the west\' when actually it does not. It is the earth that revolves around the sun. It is well known that since the Nuer became divided between three states in Southern Sudan (Upper Nile, Jonglei and Unity) when the Greater Upper Nile divsion was abolished by the NCP and Khartoum, the Nuer first place in population reduced greatly in the current Upper Nile state and the Shilluk population took the lead. Even if all the Ethiopian Nuer came to register in Upper Nile State today, their numbers can never get higher than the Shilluk population. This is a well-established truth and you are free to accept it or not. You can give whatever fake political figures you want but you will never at the end of the day change the reality which is known.

Call me any name or insult me with any terrible derogative on this earth, but I will stand by what I say because it is the very truth I know and should till Jesus comes back again.

Dr James Okuk

The 6^th Comment Mr. Rom Bol Replaying to Dr.Okuk,

I am not denying your birth right as a true son of Upper Nile State which I think I have confirmed in my first message; however, sometimes things change when one left original homeland for reasons best known to all of us. Wises differ from the reality on ground, information (primary, secondary) varies from told by told to inner ear.

I have just read positive comments from some credible writters like Mr. Gordon Buay, Pal Gatkuoth to mention only few. I have decided to hold my tongue on this topic since your argument is not supported by clear base evidence and tangible statistics to get support of readers and win the opinion of general public.

Doctor James Okok just compare eight counties\' population by payams, last year disputed census result, last april general election registeration voters and the just finished voter registeration figures, can you convince me and others in any of these national exercise where any of the Shiluk County led Upper Nile in terms of figures? By counties I mean: Ulang (10 payams), Nasir (12 payams), Maiwut (9 payams) and Longechuk (11 payams) on one side, Malakal (four payams), Panyikang (six payams), Manyo (five payams) and Fashoda (six payams) on the other. Let me leave you this as an assignment to gather fact and figures in the next discussion to support your argument.

The second assignment I would like to give you is the fact that there is no name Makal in Upper Nile legal records but we have Malakal instead. You may call anyone you know  to provide details for next discussion. If no tangible documentation in place, respect your Leadership in Malakal government until Upper and Lower houses in Malakal adopt your dreams in the State constitution and local government act for citizens to abide by.

Of course, when the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) was signed, and by the way, it was when Dr. Lam Akol joint SPLA/M, one of his proposal put forward was the increase of Counties in Shilluk Kingdom, wherein Late Dr. John Garang notified all unit of division of Shiluk land into four Counties. However, the Malakal remains the State headquarter and the fourth County, Malakal was supposed to be based at Makal Shiluk, east of Malakal town which should be the County headquarter for what you call Makal County. The directives of late Dr. Doctor John Garang were not changed by man on earth but by the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) itself, all agreements reached outside the CPA were nullified after the conclusion of this document between the SPLA/M and the National Congress Party (NCP). You might have alot of Degrees in his Institution but it does not mean \'Political merging are automatically turned into Laws\', that is why agreements out of content of the CPA does not bide by and in principle the people of Southern Sudan not recognize.

Mr. Gordon Buay is right to have clarified this point to you that it was the former Commissioner of Malakal County, who cropped seeds of discords among the Dinka and Shiluk communities in Malakal. The Commissioner out of blue introduced what he called Makal County inside Malakal without constitution or Lawfull references. He was once summoned in the State Council of Ministers to explain the reason behind his orders; for suprised of many, he only beat around the bushes as you are doing. He would have won the support of some Leaders but vangue argument is rather in itself a curse. I am trying to clarify the point that there is no Makal by Law but there are signboards/Billboards in the name of Makal, which one can assume like a business center anyway. Therefore, my advice to many like you is to lobby to the State Legislative assembly and the State Council of Ministers to approve and incorporate this name and gets its amendement in the State Constitution; otherwise, do not challenges dignitary Leaders in Upper Nile Government for their call of Malakal instead of Makal. This Malakal or Makal county, name it, has nothing to do with President Salva Kiir or who you call his successor, it\'s purely a local government issue contained in Local government act; I do not know how to term it but it seems like \'you people are crying over split milk\', therefore own Malakal and later change its name legally for other people like us to abide by it.

There is also a strange thing that you Shiluk are exercising, the Land belongs to the community in acordance with the Comprehensive Peace Agreements (CPA), why do not burry dead Shiluk in Malakal instead the bodies are entirely on boats accross the river to either Panyikango, Fashoda and Manyo ignoring Malakal.

Your fourth county, under whatever name could ask if land speaks; this is something you need to think of, you cannot claim a land which your ancestral bones are not found in, think and write about it Doctor James Okok, it is a very sensitive areas to research at.

Dr. James Okok, as a professional Doctor, you deserve respect but it\'s also your own assignment to lure supporters of your cause within the Integral part of Sudan and Southern Sudan in particular as said by Gordon Buay.

Eastern Jikany is known by its vast land and people unless you did not take up army against the common enemy otherwise it should not be stalemate between me and you to convince one another of who are the majority in Upper Nile State, if the above assignment is done well by you, it will clear all your doubts on figures. It\'s does not involve the coming of Jesus Christ, it\'s a simple exercise that you can finish in less than a hour.

Therefore, Peter Both is well informed public servant to act in accordance to the Laws of land.

Rom Bol Ruac,
Southern Sudan, Juba.

The 7^th Comment Mr. Gatkwoth Replaying to Dr. Okuk,

Upper Nile\'s population is 964, 353. Of these, 437,674 are Nuer (Longichuk:63,166, Maiwut:79, 462, Nasir:210,002, and Ulang with 85,044) and 246, 438 are Shilluk (Malakal:126,483, Manyo:38,010, Panyikang:45, 427, and Fashoda at 36,518). Compare the figures. If you doubt it, then wait for the next census.

Your concern about the number of registered voters for the upcoming referendum holds no ground. Hon. Peter Both did not go to the villages to do the registration. Employees of the SSRC did the registration. Most of the registrar officers in Shilluk counties were Shilluk because they speak the local language. Whatever number they reported back to the chairman of SSRC/B in the state constituted the exact number of people registered. The government has to feed the general public with right information. Do not crucify the minister. He was right.

Buay, Pal, and Rom,

Good analyses. I just don\'t know if the doctor will understand your points.

Gatkuoth

The 8^th Comment Dr. Okuk replaying to Mr. Gatkuoth Bim,
Yes, let\'s wait for the uncontested real population census without the current SPLM/A politicization, rather than the fake one you are trying to post here. Don\'t think that what the bad elements of Nuer-Dinka coalition are ding in Upper Nile but in the whole Southern Sudan, is not known or shall continue unchallenged.

Convince somebody else with your fake argument. I am not impressed.

Dr James Okuk

The 9^th Comment Mr. Gordon Replaying to Dr. James Okuk,
Could the failures of 2008 census be blamed on \"Nuer-Dinka\" elements? The SPLM rejected the 2008 Census officially because it was concerned that most Southerners were not counted properly. If you talk to Dinka from Aweil, they will tell you that they were not counted because the result did not reflect Aweil\'s population known throughout the South. In 1970s and 1980s, Aweil was known as the \"China of South Sudan\". The 2008 Census reduced Aweil to less than half a million. The same complaints were demonstrated in Unity, Jonglei, Upper Nile and other states of the South.

It is illogical for somebody like you to say that the SPLM manipulated the number of Shilluk tribe in Upper Nile State. After all, you need to know that the census was conducted by the Government of National Unity. I was one of the people who worked in the census in Khartoum and we should blame logistics and the preparation for the failures of the census. Time and money were the problem that led to poor result in the census. Had the Government of National Unity put more money and time to the conduct of the census, the result would have been different in the South. We could have registered more than 15 million in the South.

I don\'t understand up to now why you are so obsessed with Nuer and Dinka to the point where you lost touch with realities of Sudan. Instead of blaming Nuer and Dinka, you have to blame individuals in power in Juba. I think Pagan Amum, Oyai Deng Ajak and Dr. Adwok Nyaba are Shilluk who are holding high positions within the SPLM. If something is wrong within the GoSS, you should also blame Pagan and others who are part of the GoSS.

Political civil war within the Shilluk tribe has nothing to do with Nuer and Dinka. It has something to do with power struggle among Chollo politicians. For example, Pagan Amum is the Secretary General of the SPLM and it is the SPLM in power in Upper Nile State. Why didn\'t Pagan tell Simon Kun Puoch to change the bame of the town from Malakal to Makal? If John Garang issued a decree in 2003 as you alleged, why didn\'t the SPLM Secretary General advise the SPLM members in Upper Nile State to implement it?

Nobody will listen to you if you focus on militant tribalism. Talk on issues and the failures of South Sudan leadership without singling out some tribes. If Salva Kiir is wrong, don\'t say all Dinka are wrong. Deal with Salva Kiir as an individual. You need to know that there are Dinka who do not even agree with Salva Kiir and may share similar views with you.

Yours,

Gordon Buay

The 10^th Comment Dr. Okuk Replaying to Gordon Buay,

Do you really read the wordings of my posting critically or you are just get irritated with logic and truth I present against your fallacious arguments? Did I really go for a hasty generalization fallacy concerning the Dinka and Nuer in Upper Nile state? Just scroll down here and read again the expression I have used (i.e. bad elements of Dinka-Nuer coalition in Uper Nile State).

Dr James Okuk

The 11^th Comment Mr. Fascola Abdallah Replaying to Mr. Rom Bol Ruac

Just I want to put my comments in two points that you and Dr. James Okuk are in discussions and argument.

1.       Which the first tribe popular in the Upper Nile State?  This question you answer it that the Nuer tribe is coming first, according to the result of last census. But if you refused to accept what have been said by D. Okuk that is not true at all, then I will say that the result of last census was not accurate, because we know what happened in Nuer areas that time, its not far that the death people were registered this is the true and you can not denial it, and it know by all Sudanese in generally that Shilluk is popular than any tribe in Upper State, you go back to results of census before the last one.

2.       You said that there is no county called Makal in the Upper Nile State! Who told you that? If it is called Malakal in the State Constitutional, that will be the big mistake, and this mistake must be Dinka or Nure who did it, and they must change it to Makal immediately, because the name of Malakal was used to call the town not the county as think, so if you mean the town then we will come down, and we will be cool.

Regards

Fascola Abdalla